[eMail module] Signature position

[yamane]

Hi,

When I add a signature on my e-mails, it always goes to the end of the message.

It's not a problem when I start a NEW message, but is not good when I REPLY a message.

So, que question is: Is possible put the signature AFTER my reply?

[ewood]

Everyone's must, just no one noticed it. Same issue here I posted the same message a couple weeks ago, just happen to see this post.

[fpage]

Hi,

I dont't think so because we have the same problem since we started with Egroupwareb (2009);
i asked our provider but he didn't give us any solution.
fpage
 

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Hi,

When I add a signature on my e-mails, it always goes to the end of the message.

It's not a problem when I start a NEW message, but is not good when I REPLY a message.

So, que question is: Is possible put the signature AFTER my reply?

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[Birgit Becker Stylite GmbH]

Hi,

community version 1.8. did not have a preference for that, but its
implemented and available in EPL 11.1. So solution is simple choose our
EPL and you will have many nice and useful features

Birgit

Am 04.10.2011 18:12, schrieb yamane:

> Hi,
>
> When I add a signature on my e-mails, it always goes to the end of the
> message.
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> It's not a problem when I start a NEW message, but is not good when I REPLY
> a message.
>
> So, que question is: Is possible put the signature AFTER my reply?
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[yamane]

This looks like a bug than a "feature", so the solution (move to EPL) is not a way to fix it.
Signature must be always in the end of the part that author wrote, and not in the end of the e-mail.

Regards,
Renato S. Yamane

[Edgar Matzinger]

Hi Yamane,

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:19:39 -0700 (PDT), yamane wrote:
> This looks like a bug than a "feature", so the solution (move to EPL)
> is not
> a way to fix it.

Depends on your point of view...

> Signature must be always in the end of the part that author wrote,
> and not
> in the end of the e-mail.

When you are using Outlook, sure. But if you use a real email client
and you use inline comments (and who doesn't?), then the signature
should
be at the end of the email.

My $0.02, kind regards, Edgar.

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[AlainF]

I have to agreed with Yamane, this is a bug for 2011.

We are not in 1990, the Internet and Email as change. Egroupware need to change if it want to be call an open source projet.

I dont use Outlook and my signature is after my text not the end of the Email.

Alain

[ewood]

I'm kinda catching on this seems to be a main theme with egw.  Things are left out on purpose to subliminally make you frustrated so you just pay for the service. egw has some real potential Group Office is the only competition but they leave out the projects module is there way of open source marketing a commercial product.  Then you take the valiant effort of some great scrips like TikiWiki install that just for fun because those guys have it together, heck they even have a survey asking if it was easy enough to install.  egw is difficult for users in today standards who wants to train a bunch of employees, look at sales force.com they have a easy to understand interface that is a no banner, but they lack the kick butt modules egw has if etw copied the sugar, salesforce, or tiger UI with this would be a smokin app.

[Bill Silverstein]

ewood wrote

I'm kinda catching on this seems to be a main theme with egw.  Things are left out on purpose to subliminally make you frustrated so you just pay for the service. egw has some real potential.....

I don't think that is it.

I think that they find the features useful, then add the features to the paid version, then it trickles down to the non-paid version eventually.

[kjurkic]

Hello Mr Wood

At the end of the day, the people constructing and supporting EGW have kids, mortgages, and bills.

In regards to your concern about functionality or detail features, I will take the position of defending the EGW business model. Just so you know, I have experienced many, many hours of frustration with implementing EGW community edition for my organization - most of it due to my lack of programming skills or education. So I am not responding here as a fanboi. As you noted there is no other groupware suite on the market that approaches the functionality of EGW - therefore I persevered. 

I am not a coder, just a general PC mechanic who has to set up video conferencing, followed by troubleshooting Postfix on a mac (Panther! aaagggh!) server, then chase down a problem with printing PDF's in a student lab,  stop to teach a staffer how to format currency cells in Excel, take a quick coffee break, prepare a RFQ for some new PC's, update web server pages, etc, etc, etc. When it comes to Pear, PHP, and MySQL, frankly I spend a lot of time just learning how to ask the question properly, let alone understanding the answers. I am reluctant to ask questions here, as I see so many posters are programming guru's while I can barely hack my way out of a recursion loop.

Yes, EGW CE is in fact "kludgy" in many respects, but its kludgy in the same way that the first automobiles, or the early days of the Internet were kludgy; steep learning curve with new technologies, but the end result is well worth the effort.  I have been using the Community edition to build internal support for a move to the Enterprise edition - we work around the eccentricities of CE for now, but as end users develop confidence, and start saying to me "Gee this is good, but it sure would be nice if it did...." I can take this to the budget meetings with a lot more grass-roots support. I much prefer this extended "try before you buy" approach, as any large groupware suite will require a huge investment in time. I do not like making such investments based on white-papers or promises from salesmen. EGW proves itself first, then asks for money for the deluxe version. I don't know if you've noticed, be here we often get unpaid support answers from the core EGW team - I really do appreciate that, and suggest that perhaps instead of just criticizing a (bug, feature, annoyance), because EGW is opensource, you can take the time to fix the problem and share that solution, just as many others have done here to all our benefit. 

To sum up, I think this EGW business model is great and should be the standard for all software vendors. 

regards

Ken

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I'm kinda catching on this seems to be a main theme with egw.  Things are
left out on purpose to subliminally make you frustrated so you just pay for
the service. egw has some real potential Group Office is the only
competition but they leave out the projects module is there way of open
source marketing a commercial product.  Then you take the valiant effort of
some great scrips like TikiWiki install that just for fun because those guys
have it together, heck they even have a survey asking if it was easy enough
to install.  egw is difficult for users in today standards who wants to
train a bunch of employees, look at sales force.com they have a easy to
understand interface that is a no banner, but they lack the kick butt
modules egw has if etw copied the sugar, salesforce, or tiger UI with this
would be a smokin app.

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[ewood]

Ken,

I totally agree with you and my experience is tandem to yours.  I appreciate when Ralf and the guys respond to post and I understand they have families and a need to make a profit as well and I appreciate when they do provide answers.  Some of these issues you hear over and over like PEAR, or Sync.  My opinion is these guys really have something good here and a less than positive attitude makes things worse.  For example what if EGW had the best installation method, had a beautiful easy to use 2.0 user interface this would hugely increase demand overnight create less headache repetitive issues in the forums and bring more people happy to work on and with this foundation.  None of the other groupware system have what egw has and if egw wants market share its got to be taken now because someone will get frustrated enough to put in the egw mechanics with an intuitive user friendly interface.  I can think of one example IBM vs Apple.  both did the same thing but apple made it intuitive, pretty and it worked out of the box no issues every time.  The money will come but you can't get greedy up front.  Look at all the internet majors that started out free, Google, Facebook, My Space, YouTube, it's a build it and they will come product.  Open Source, Joomla, Magento, Wordpress all have major industries feeding off these. EGW is the first in line up to bat, they need too take a good swing and hit one out of the park.  I guarantee if the only competition Group Office get smart and un-greedy themselves releasing the Projects, Time-cards and Tickets module as open-source they'll own it.

I wish I had the knowledge to do this stuff, I'd totally help build this.  But hell I can't even figure out Pear!

Ed

[Mario Moder-3]

On 19.10.2011 02:02, Kenneth Hawkins wrote:

> Yes, EGW CE is in fact "kludgy" in many respects, but its kludgy in the
> same way that the first automobiles, or the early days of the Internet
> were kludgy; steep learning curve with new technologies, but the end
> result is well worth the effort. I have been using the Community edition
> to build internal support for a move to the Enterprise edition - we work

I had been using the community edition in our company for several years
before paying for the EPL version, and I would not say that it was
"kludgy". If my company had not expressed the need for an immediate
solution for syncing with iPhones, I would still run the community
edition (I guess). Small bugs existed, yes, but most of them did not
stop us from working around them, and many, many bugs were fixed over
time by the Stylite development team (and others).

With the paid EPL version reported bugs are fixed almost immediately and
you get some nice features too (mainly useful for power users / larger
organisations)

> To sum up, I think this EGW business model is great and should be the
> standard for all software vendors.

There are several FOSS business models and the Stylite model has pros
and cons, like everything else, but if the features and bugfixes make it
to the community version over time, I would say: It works ;-)

Mario


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[el_es]

On 20/10/2011 10:53, Mario wrote:
 
> I had been using the community edition in our company for several years
> before paying for the EPL version, and I would not say that it was
> "kludgy". If my company had not expressed the need for an immediate
> solution for syncing with iPhones, I would still run the community
> edition (I guess). Small bugs existed, yes, but most of them did not
> stop us from working around them, and many, many bugs were fixed over
> time by the Stylite development team (and others).
>

(This is a bit offtopic of 'user' list, maybe rather need to be asked at 'core', but
I haven't got the working knowledge of PHP enough to do that but:
(this is a question to the Community Edition developers))

Would Egroupware Community developers accept patches for the 'stable' releases
or the Community Edition or will it require people to work on 'trunk' and backport patches?

L.



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[Ralf Becker-2]

Am 20.10.11 12:53, schrieb Lukasz Sokol:

> On 20/10/2011 10:53, Mario wrote:
>
>> I had been using the community edition in our company for several years
>> before paying for the EPL version, and I would not say that it was
>> "kludgy". If my company had not expressed the need for an immediate
>> solution for syncing with iPhones, I would still run the community
>> edition (I guess). Small bugs existed, yes, but most of them did not
>> stop us from working around them, and many, many bugs were fixed over
>> time by the Stylite development team (and others).
>>
>
> (This is a bit offtopic of 'user' list, maybe rather need to be asked at 'core', but
> I haven't got the working knowledge of PHP enough to do that but:
> (this is a question to the Community Edition developers))
>
> Would Egroupware Community developers accept patches for the 'stable' releases
> or the Community Edition or will it require people to work on 'trunk' and backport patches?

That's hard to answer in general.

If it's a small bugfix for a problem reproducable happening in all
branches, it probably does not matter against which branch the fix was made.

Same is true for obvious fixes only happening in the old community version.

It get's more complicated, if you fix creates problems in other
settings/configuration or the problem is not or only with a lot of
effort to reproduce ...

Our general development approach - that's probably true for every
software developent - is backporting bugfixes from Trunk.

Ralf
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[el_es]

Hi Ralf,

On 20/10/2011 12:46, Ralf Becker wrote:
[...]
> Our general development approach - that's probably true for every
> software developent - is backporting bugfixes from Trunk.
>
> Ralf

Thanks for clarifying that.

L.


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[kjurkic]

Hi Mario

Perhaps using the term "kludgy" was not best; it may have a different meaning to folks.

On a related note, if you do not mind providing the information, how was your experience with the migration from CE to EPL? I am anticipating the need to support iPhone, and Android devices - has this worked out well for you?

regards

Ken

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On 19.10.2011 02:02, Kenneth Hawkins wrote:

> Yes, EGW CE is in fact "kludgy" in many respects, but its kludgy in the
> same way that the first automobiles, or the early days of the Internet
> were kludgy; steep learning curve with new technologies, but the end
> result is well worth the effort. I have been using the Community edition
> to build internal support for a move to the Enterprise edition - we work

I had been using the community edition in our company for several years
before paying for the EPL version, and I would not say that it was
"kludgy". If my company had not expressed the need for an immediate
solution for syncing with iPhones, I would still run the community
edition (I guess). Small bugs existed, yes, but most of them did not
stop us from working around them, and many, many bugs were fixed over
time by the Stylite development team (and others).

With the paid EPL version reported bugs are fixed almost immediately and
you get some nice features too (mainly useful for power users / larger
organisations)

> To sum up, I think this EGW business model is great and should be the
> standard for all software vendors.

There are several FOSS business models and the Stylite model has pros
and cons, like everything else, but if the features and bugfixes make it
to the community version over time, I would say: It works ;-)

Mario


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[yamane]

Hi,

Is there any developer here?
If yes, how much money you need to improve this function (signature position)?

I can try pay something.

Just to understand my problem, at this moment I created a file with my signature... When I reply a message on eGroupware, I choose "Don't use signatue" and I open the file and copy my signature to put it on the message.

I only use "Add signature" from eGroupware when I start a new message.

This way is absolutly stupid in an enterprise environment and the solution "Use EPL" is not valid, because is too expensive.

Best regards,
Renato S. Yamane

[yamane]

If anyone know a developer that can change this thing, please, let me know.
Change to EPL will cost too much just to have a "Signature position" feature.

Thanks,
Renato S. Yamane

[ewood]

anything further on this issue?

[yamane]

I saw that it will be available on eGroupware 1.10 (when??) and will not be backported to 1.8
http://www.egroupware.org/forum#nabble-td3200062

Best regards,
Renato S. Yamane